0150 Female Led Relationships: Pegging, Swinging & Parenting: A Campfire Conversation

Look… I tried to keep this one focused. I really did. But when you’re sitting around a fire at kinky summer camp with my subbie, Carli, and Bill (and a few surprise voices), things take on a life of their own.

This episode is all about the chaos and connection of progressive swinging — and how it intersects with pegging, cuckolding, roleplay, parenting, lifestyle identity, and yes… poop talk. I know. It always circles back to poop. You’ll hear me talk openly about how this lifestyle works in real life, not fantasy. From awkward first swings, to learning what turns us on, to dealing with logistics when your partner’s testicles are too big for the cage (true story).

So whether you're just exploring the lifestyle, or deep into FLR with some swinging sprinkled on top — this one’s for the real ones who are out here making it work through laughter, trial, error… and a lot of love.

What You'll Hear in This Episode:

• Our real-life campfire conversation about swinging, FLR, and power play
• Honest (and messy) stories from our first time trying the lifestyle
• How pegging, teasing, and chastity fit into swinging dynamics
• What progressive swinging actually looks like when the kids are around
• The reality of poop talk, parenting overlaps, and trying to stay sexy in the chaos
• Conversations about The Story of O, Exit to Eden, and kink lit favorites
• Submissive chair drips, pink panties, and surprise toys like the Lovense button
• Why laughter might be the biggest kink in the room

This Episode Is For:

• FLR couples exploring kink and swinging
• Curious listeners wondering what “real life” looks like in a Female-Led marriage
• Dommes navigating pegging, parenting, and personal identity
• Submissive men trying to figure out where they fit in this mess
• Anyone who’s ever tried to keep it sexy... while covered in bug spray

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Are we recording yet? Yeah. Okay, just for the record. We're not really their friends. They paid us to do this So we're gonna talk about something specific or we're going straight to poop This podcast is intended for mature audiences only if you are not 18 years of age or older There are thousands of other podcasts you can listen to and you can come back and visit us when you are 18 This podcast is meant solely for entertainment. We are not licensed doctors lawyers or therapists We simply have a fascination with the lifestyle and I'd love to share it with you and get your thoughts and opinions Welcome back What else am I supposed to say there? What episode fuck? I don't know Where are we at? 40 are we in the 50s? episode 50 Episode 50 Fuck, I suppose eating a sucker doing a podcast isn't the best idea, but it's all right. I'm literally have three cigarettes left Eating a sucker, you know, I'm sucking on dick whatever. I mean, it's all works. Mm-hmm. I'm a sister wife It doesn't put out remember. Oh, that's right So warm up to it, there's always that hope, you know in the back of your mind, but did you have that hope yesterday slim? Did you have that hope on Carly made it just the other day Brian So I'm gonna give him a blowjob just so he shuts the fuck off about it I can use the just the other still waiting. She said that like 30 That's all right So I heard you like those ribs. Oh, oh fuck. Those are so good. Yeah, those were tasty. Mm-hmm That's what you're getting fair birth in the chicken. Yeah, I'm making dry rib I Appreciate see they do robots are you? I'm just here for the cuddling In the soft caressing Mm-hmm I've established that I am here my birthday weekend What regardless? Yeah, I'll drive. You should be here next weekend, too And you should just tell super does that listen? This is the way it is. So perfect isn't good Okay So should we do an introduction? You can like who are you two and what is your dynamic in this? Frank and Sinatra, let's get it. Right. My name is princess Yeah, mm-hmm, and she's very delicate fragile Apparently, I'm very angelic when I wear my hair down Whatever it's my split personality thought I'd try to be a nice human and put my hair down You even played volleyball with it down I know that was dumb it was really in my way. Yep So annoying so I'm Bill Hi, Bill. I'm the the second husband who doesn't get laid blowjobs cuddling or any of the things And I'm Carly who doesn't do any of the aforementioned things with her husband So, what is your dynamic Fucking fantastic, that's what What is our dynamic I'm a terrible swinger and Bill's a mediocre swinger Yeah, we're the kind of gotta have the connection. We're not just fuck the fuck kind of people we got to have a connection and Apparently as cut my wife says we have to like you as a human before we can answer you. Yes And apparently I just got old and crotchety and don't like other people because it takes too much work And very much like your definition of your swinging style nowadays, though. Yes, isn't it good? I can be that kind of swinger Listen, I just want to suck your dick the way I want to suck it for as long as I want to suck it and I Don't really care if you come and when I'm done. I'm done. Sorry about your luck. I There's no losing end, I'm either they're gonna go for it or they won't right so like go do your business somewhere else I'm probably gonna leave that in It's the hustle and bustle of Sunday if only there was smell old podcast Vision smell. Oh listen. Yeah, is it Shit pipe gets real rank on time does she just wants to give blowjobs the way she wants to give blowjobs and I want to have sex but I Don't flirt don't pick up on fucking People flirting with me and so pretty much unless it's a slap in the face But the great part about it is the people you meet right yes, I mean we've met Obviously YouTube sure and we've met our best friends. I mean really nobody else matters I mean, I wouldn't call her a sister wife if that wasn't the case, you know, she doesn't put out I am the ultimate cock tease. That is what I am. Yeah, you've never even done that I do really lock my husband's dick in a cage though. I've seen it true story Every once in a while she pulls out once Carly played with the fun buttons Yes, which by the way Brian, I'm sorry, but they are coming home for your birthday Will be out for your birthday. Mm-hmm I have to locate the fun button, but yeah, that was your task yesterday Does everybody know what the fun button is? We have talked about it or the button gave me out Yeah, I don't know if you haven't listened to past episodes the fun button is a toy by love ants who is an affiliate for the podcast that They produce or manufacture remote-controlled toys So this toy in particular one end goes up my subbies rear end And the other one nestles itself nicely on his balls that are Secured with a ring, right? So it actually it hits the ring the part that comes forward actually hits the ring, okay Everything wiggle wiggle wiggle and there's two different buttons that are remote controlled or controlled remotely from my cell phone and last year and Halloween My subbie decided that it would be real fun to sit in and drum because he's a drummer which is fucking hot I love your hands and While drumming I gave my good friend here Carly the fun buttons There's a little bit of a delay Yeah, I noticed it. It's real fun when you crank those babies up on high and you get to watch the reaction of the face And trying to drum it the same. Yes. I'm like, why is he reacting that way? No, the buttons are on low I Think yep, I think a little tipsy. Yep, and we have not tried any of they do make them for females as well I mean you well that actually is also for a female. Yeah, so you there's there's plenty of options I think they might be a little bit more on the expensive side, but they are pretty quality made and yeah That's absolutely the thing. They're made very well okay, so you talked about your Outward dynamic, what is your dynamic between you two? I'm always right Well, and we okay so there was a munch yesterday or just a little gathering or whatever where we kind of talked about Lifestyle 101 do's and don'ts and all those things but just we kind of discussed Or we were kind of talking about progressive swinging, which is interesting. That's a really great turn It is a really great term and just kind of like you guys talking about your first experience swinging It's been pretty amazing really The change you go through from the time you first start to where you just reach that comfort level you know because Like after our first experience we had a list of rules 15 miles long. It was not a good experience But then over the years, you know, I mean, what do we have now pretty much two and they're three and they're between us You know, they have nothing to do with anyone else Which is where swing your rules should lie right between the couple not anyone else, right? but I mean it's simple things like let the other person know where you're going for safety purposes and Asking for permission because that person always has the right of veto Right and those are really it that's really our only rules between us, you know, and it's like like I said We have to have a connection before we ever play so the other person already knows The person you're gonna play with because that's just the way it works Oh, which is where that progressive term comes in Bill and I used to say we needed a name for ourselves So we called ourselves poly swingers because we actually had to like you as a human and have some kind of connection with you but then somebody at that munch said we're progressive swingers and She described it as needing to have a connection with another person sure not just hey nice to meet you Would you like to fuck sure? I thought that's a much better word than yeah, Holly swingers Yeah, that throws in some confusion. Like we want to have a Romantic relationship, right who we're having sex with which is not necessarily the case One of the things I've found in the lifestyle that I don't agree with Is some people like if I want to play with this female? Like it's in their dynamic that I have to go ask his permission No, not my monkeys. Not my circus. You guys work out your own stuff. Yeah, me and my wife work out our own stuff Yep, if I ask your wife if she wants to play and she hasn't okayed it with her husband That's between them. Not me and her not me and my wife great, which is another discussion that came up there I think that was more encompassing a dumb sub relationship, but there was the discussion to of if one of the People that you are going to play with is married Where does the responsibility lie? Like one person said that you know You shouldn't be doing that You should make sure it's okay with their partner before you play with them and somebody else Well Carly was saying that's not my fucking deal my job between you two and it is not my job their rules worked out previously If they don't have their world's rules worked out between the spouses They shouldn't be playing, you know, they shouldn't be in this lifestyle If you don't have a good line of communication with your partner You should not do this at all and my thought is I'm an adult and I am engaging in adult activities with another adult I'm not going to go ask your mom for permission Yeah, I should already know you have it. We should not be talking. Yeah, right. Yeah, I am NOT going to be the police in your marriage ever and in IE, you know, that's Part of the reason we like to get to know people first Not that we're trying to figure out what their rules are but it's like You learn after you get to know some people whether they're trustworthy or not Or is this just some guy that wants to sleep with my wife? He says he has permission from his wife, but he doesn't really see right when you're just jumping in the sack with whoever Yeah, you don't know what's going on and and then you have somebody's wife or husband coming after you instead of their husband Yeah, right. They should be going after their partner or not. I mean you were an innocent Yeah It's always an interesting conversation I'm in a lot of the Facebook groups that are different swinger groups and all the things and it's always interesting when somebody posts How do you feel about this and I'll tell you that the majority of the people in these groups number one Think it's cheating if your spouse isn't there when you're having sex with somebody else Those are the people that only play with couples. Sure Never separate because separate is cheating Somehow a dick in your vagina is not cheating if your husband's watching but it is if he's not Not sure I understand this concept yeah, but it very much is that and they those that group of people always seem to be the ones that are like You have to you always have to ask the spouse for permission. I Think there's so much confusion I mean I think anything in the lifestyle if you're new to entering the life's if you're new to the lifestyle or anything lifestyle related you almost have to Kind of figure out because everybody has a different dynamic And if that dynamic where you can only play and you believe that it's cheating if you don't play together or whatever That's your dynamic But then you need to make that known right and just because you play that way does that mean? Everybody needs to play that way right almost everybody in the lifestyle we've ever met all have different rules Yeah, you know, I don't think I've ever met a couple that has the same rules as some other couple Because there's always some little variant or difference Right, right because no two couples are exactly the same exactly You know hard part about that whole situation Is that the only way you're ever gonna figure out what your rules are is to learn the hard way Have a bad experience it'll teach you all the things you need to know It's interesting too because a lot of the people that I've talked to here and I'll just say what was your first swinging experience? Like everybody's like it was fucking horrible Like yeah, I don't know that I've ever talked to somebody who said My first swinging experience was a fucking amazing right? Like there's always Until you do it. I don't think you can right you do all the planning you can and imagine all the scenarios But until they're present and happening you have no concept of how you're gonna react Well, I think the first time is always fucking awkward. I mean sex is awkward One thing I find awkward personally. I personally find out awkward is I've watched my wife have sex Multiple times in the lifestyle that was part of the reason I wanted to get into the lifestyle We were talking about fantasies one day and I told her I said I want to watch another guy. Fuck you. Mm-hmm Guys, here's a note tip for you out there. Slow the fuck down Jesus every guy I've ever seen with her. It's like pound town and that's it. Yeah Do you think that's how you became the blowjobs? well, listen and that's part of it really because I my husband knows how to have sex with me other people don't and It's a lot of work and requires a time commitment that at some point. I just was like it's it's too much work Sure, it's too much work. Sure Kind of gets you out of the mood when there has to be all this communication of stop doing I mean there should be that communication because If something isn't right, you need to communicate that something isn't right But it kind of takes the mood away when you're like, nope, don't do it that way You gotta do it this way or you know what? I mean like I don't know you well enough to know what you like But see the problem with that is they all would if they actually listened because they spend enough time with me before we have sex That we talk about all the sex. Yeah, you know, I mean we're at sex camp We talk about sex and all varieties all the time. Yeah, and if they had their ear open ever They would know see I'm exactly knowledge. I soak it all It's paying attention but it's a difference between being a pleaser and not yep. Yep Mm-hmm Yep, pay attention when the woman is talking pay attention I mean attention like I don't like it when girls bite my dick. Okay note to self Don't bite his dick, right? I mean Dale never And he never told me not to bite it he didn't specifically say however But he also didn't specifically say don't almost bite it off Okay, but I think that was the reaction to him almost biting my nipple off and that's a fair turn I mean, I feel like you bite my nipple. I bite your dick However, I may have been a little misleading and said hey, do you want a blowjob? And he said yeah, and I may have gotten a bit aggressive. I mean if in reality if you just said hey, I'm gonna bite your dick off He'd have probably moved away from you. So you would think he might have said no Yeah, that was that was fair. And the other part of that is when somebody says don't bite my dick. I don't like it I'm I always have to say are you sure? Exactly there's a difference between somebody trying to bite your cock off and Me biting your cock. Mm-hmm. My little teeth rubbing isn't bad. It's not even the rubbing. It's just of that little Bite down right on the base Not even real hard. I mean, it's just I mean I get to the point I never a million years thought I'd like that and the first time she did it was to me. I was like a little harder In my defense with Dale that evening I may have consumed large quantities of liquor Too much liquor for my liver. Yeah, and it was really fighting to survive and I've been trying to get her drunk ever since it ain't A little bit sober, it's a much better experience. I don't know that she's been No, it was the Rando down the way That was that was after Dale prior to That was prior because we were still you weren't hanging out with us yet I've given you a blowjob. There's a video to prove it. Yeah, like I said your husband doesn't know That video is actually only going to be on only fans by the way, so if you want to see it In my world it was Just the other day. It was anywhere from three to six months ago, right? So you just got laid just the other day. I did they totally actually could have got laid the other day You totally could actually got laid today Yeah, I kind of fucked up both of those. That was me way to go Now the wave is passed and you're screwed for six months. Yeah, that's why we lock it up I have to mark this on the calendars what you're saying Keep tracking. I'm pretty sure I gave you a heads up on this, too I said we should have sex when we go to camp Yeah, we did and then you decided working on the camper was real important the day went right down in tubes Terrible no sexy time for you. Nope story your life. So I buried me. Yep truth of the matter Well, you should do to your husband what I did to mine last weekend. Oh, that was so much fun What did you do to your husband last weekend not that I just tied him to a chair and tortured him Really To One of these one of our table chairs I would just put a towel on it and then I had to put a towel on the floor because his dick was leaking and It was gonna end up on you. Let that drop on the floor. Isn't that your favorite? It is my favorite It was very difficult for me to not partake of all the strings of drip. Mm-hmm. I did a couple of times yeah, but just to get it off of there and Then she fucked my ass. Well before that I was, you know rubbing all over him with all the things Biting on his neck and sucking his dick here and there and scratching him, you know, and he was blindfolded and tied to a chair The blindfolding thing is fantastic Yes, and then I Brought Bob my battery-operated boyfriend. Mm-hmm. And after he was all drippy drippy I sat on his lap and masturbated Well done have you guys had sex in your new camper, okay last weekend, okay, I didn't know if it got yeah one time one time Probably after we left on Sunday better than no time no time That was quite hot and technically it was twice Last weekend because the first time I got on top of you and you came and then we had sex again after bathroom and cigarette break It's true. So twice is true two time two time You greedy hooker I am very very greedy I want all the sex all the time all the time Ridiculous doesn't happen. So therefore the Right We're talking about all the things you can do it. Yeah, we'll edit your name out Mystery guest number one. Yes She's real hot. It's too bad. You can't see her true nipples are sticking out and everything We were gonna stop by and say hi to you yesterday, but you were napping Nobody was talking to you It looks very comfortable, yeah Down goes Frazier. Yeah. Yeah, that's what happens to me when I read And I'm the opposite I'm like, oh I should really go to bed it's 11 a.m. Well Yeah, it depends on the book I'm reading if it's a really good book I will sit and read all fucking day Yeah, if it's a terrible book, you know what when I was in high school, I was like read a book Who are you kidding? I will skim it get the good parts. I can write a whole report off three pages of that book No problem And then at some point I started reading good books And now even if it's not a very good book I feel like I have to finish it because there might be a little bit of something good When I get done and there wasn't I'm like, okay, I just wasted two hours Finally I'm almost done with it now because I read a good share of it yesterday. Oh good. Are you liking this one? Yeah You know after reading the story of oh, yeah a little scared about what's gonna happen at the end of this one I don't know. Oh, you don't need to be. Okay, cuz I'm like You totally sure It's all good and I got in a really good parts yesterday You have you made it to the part where she takes him to the arena then? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was good FYI she's reading exit to Eden Which you should read before the story of oh, yeah, you are squeamish at all about severe BDSM You should read before you read the story of oh yeah, well Right as much as explained in this book, yes, you know But at least like this kind of Leads you up to it gives you a look inside what happens to the brain, you know Explains the reasons why people right like to do the subby end versus the Dom end and all the things It's much more. It's much more in-depth in exit to Eden about the mentality of yes slavery sexual slavery, yeah Interesting and the people who train them which is what they're called trainers or handlers in this book and it's their job to push the limits of the slaves Gotcha, and what they think they're capable of It's right in you might like that. Thanks interesting It's really good And I should get some royalties for Your podcast now has a book review section I Like it I like it those are probably my two favorite books and I've read them both probably ten times Hmm really, huh? Nice. They're real good to check them out What were we talking about before I have no idea we're hiking too many questions. Oh pegging your husband pegging my husband Yes an enjoyable act Quite the tour trip. Oh, yeah Yes I Think it's hot But you failed miserably because you masturbated beforehand and you weren't supposed to listen I have to start off in small increments. You can't go for not having sex for a couple. Okay, but listen You have done this before we were like, I'm not gonna masturbate and you've done it gone for two weeks You couldn't even go three days. It was more than three days. No, it was not. Yes. It was. No, it was not I know stuff Okay, so on that dynamic in your relationship who would you say is the dominant and who is the submissive we share both roles in sex That's why we try new New areas and new avenues as somebody who's interested somewhat in the cuckold aspect. Mm-hmm. Like for example, I Don't know for a fact that I would like it but I feel like it would be extremely hot to be tied up in a chair where I can't touch myself or anything and Watch her have sex with it. It sounds like a perfect scenario for a cock cage if you didn't have such big balls Yes, well, there is that elephant Titus is real The other day it was hot I was at work I felt something on my ankle it was my sack Once again the struggle, yeah, and you talk about me using exaggerations Yes, I think the cock cage would be enjoyable we just have to find one big enough to go around his giant nutsack So they make 3d printed ones. I mean that seems like a good idea You can just measure it. You can find them on Etsy. Also. Yeah, speaking of testicles There is a product on the market that was designed for men that removes hair. And doesn't smell. And doesn't burn. For reals. Yes. No. Is that ball... Next product's review. Yeah. Is it Ball Bomb? Bare Balls. Bare Balls. It's called... Bare Balls. Yeah, she said it was Ball Bomb. Ball Bomb. That's a hard combination of words. Wasps. Ball Bomb. But the name on it is Bare Balls. Okay. We should check that out. We're going to look into that. And the girl who tried it uses it on her legs and her badge. And no burning. No stink. Where was this discovered? Right there. On the deck. She apparently... Her man found it somewhere and got it and used it and said it didn't stink so she started using it. And then somehow Eric got into this scenario and they did it up there at the pavilion. Okay. I think they did it in their camper. Yeah. In his camper. And his balls were incredibly smooth and it didn't smell and it didn't burn. So it's Eric approved. She said this seems like a great thing for my... Get! Bee attack. This seems like a great thing for my armpits as well. Yeah. So it's Eric approved. Yes. Okay. You know, they're using something different now in the salons versus the waxing or the trigger wax or something else. Bill was saying something about that, that What's Her Nuts was saying something. Yeah. I can't... This is it. I think that was the sugar stuff. But there's something else besides that. The Bare Balls. Yeah. And I'm wondering if that's it. I should ask you a little more about that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I did the waxing, but for fuck's sake. For fuck's sake is right. Fucking hurts. And I break out like if I don't do my eyebrows anymore because I prefer to only have one. But I break out all over and my roots are so deep that I bleed when they wax me. It's terrible. And really, I mostly get it. I gave up on shaving my vagina because I look like I have a disease with all the red bumpies. Yeah. And that's attractive. I always do, no matter what I do, whether I shave or I wax or whatnot. Well, apparently not with Bare Balls. Yeah. Red Bumps. And I've been using the animal more that helps anyways, but it does. But the stuff they give you in the salon that don't do nothing. No. From what that person was saying was, it also comes with a, once you're done and after like a cooling or a... Yep. After lotion. Because you need that. After lotion. That is so important. Yes. I mean, I might go bare again if it's that easy. I mean, I'll miss your seventies bush, but... Well, I will grow that sucker all winter just for you, baby. My wife takes no shave November to a whole mother level. But I bet her armpits are shaved. Yes. Because I'll puke. Ladies and gentlemen, I might be a shallow person. I can deal with leg hair. I can deal with the seventies bush. I can deal with all the things, but armpit hair makes me want to chuck my guts. No bueno. Huh? Okay. My husband's favorite. Do you ever notice when you see a woman too, with like really long armpit hair, it's like super straight and it's like almost like an ape. It just raised their arm and it's there. FYI, your armpit hair is much the same. Si, dude. I don't ever see mine, I guess so. And you've never complained about it once. I just bite it. Yeah, you do like to bite it. His armpit hair? Yeah. Well, my armpit hair. Is there deodorant in it? Well, I generally try not to bite it then because that's gross and it gets on your teeth and it tastes real bad. So yes, she has done it before. Yes, I have bit his armpit with deodorant. It's not my favorite. She's really a biter. As we go back to the cock conversation earlier, you know, she likes to bite things. Well, and here's the other thing too, a fun fact about Carly. If you dare her to do things, she'll do just about anything. It's really if you say she can't, the dare comes from. Well, I told her to eat my ass yesterday, and I have to remember that at camp, it's not safe to say these things. She says, all right, Mike, I didn't say I dare you. I just said eat my ass. See that you can always say that to Carly because that's one thing she's never, ever in life going to do. I'm going to tell you a story. I think Chris said, I dare you to eat my ass. I would fucking lay her down and eat her ass just to prove her wrong. Say it. Right. I would probably not see it. I would probably gaggle on it. I want to see that shit right now. There are certain. We're going to charge fucking admission. I'm going to make money off this shit. Come on. Certain people and certain dares. I just can't contain myself. I played that card yesterday when we had this discussion and I said, I dare you to eat Billy's ass. And she said, nope. Do you feel the love? Do you feel the love? I think the reason she says she would eat your ass, even if you dared her, is because she knows it'll never, ever fucking happen. That's the only reason she says, yes, she'll she'll do it now because she knows I'm not paying it. And I'm going to do it like and be like, yeah, get in there. Yep. Get it. True story. True story. No. And listen, I have smelled what comes out of my ass and there is not a chance in hell anybody's face is going to be at it other than his. It has been. I mean, it probably will be. It's a whole different arena ass licking. It's fine if you can get out of your head, it actually doesn't feel that bad. I know. I just don't like to talk about it because then I have to think about it and what you're doing and you're licking my asshole. I shit out of my ass and here we are at the poop. Unbelievably, it always comes back to the poop. Coming back to the poop. Unbelievably in fun ways. But it always comes back. It does always come back to poop for sure. And cue the smell from the shit tube. It's fucking terrible. And there wasn't even that many people here this weekend. It smelled all weekend. It was real right down. That's the first time I've smelt it. Not me. It was a real rough walk by there. That is a big wasp. OK, so we've talked about poop. We've accomplished that. We've talked about their dynamic. Yep. Do you want to talk about your dynamic? You sure don't have to, Melissa. Or should I say, what's a fun name? Natasha. Natasha or Naomi. I moan backwards. Well, OK, so here we can have this conversation, Bill and Carly. Uh-huh. Do you tell people that you're swingers? Yes. Yes. Everyone. Everyone. And your kids know? Yes. Kids know. I was actually. So when we first started coming to camp, this is a funny story. No, it's not. I was actually. I was actually. I love you a lot. I love you. My co-workers at work are all a bunch of campers. So they're like, well, where do you camp? Where you camp? You know, that came up a thousand times. Where you camp? And finally, I was just like, I camp at a Nicole optional lifestyle campground in Wisconsin. And they're like, I mean, like, what's lifestyle? And I told them we're swingers. And they all looked at me like, yeah, that he's full of shit. So I pulled up the website for the campground and I they read it and bullshit. And, you know, and now it's funny because my good friend of mine, my co-worker, fellow mechanic, he's asked me questions all the time now about it, you know. So I've explained BDSM and, you know, lifestyle and rules and cuckold and the whole nine. And he's just astonished and mesmerized by it. Really, he's got a very open mind. He would never, ever indulge in any of it. But nobody likes learning things. Very interesting. There's so many never evers, aren't there, though, that eventually try out something. I mean, there's so many fucking closet swingers. It's not even funny. This is true. It's very true. But there's some people who are just so old fashioned, you know, for a fact. It's never going to happen. Well, I think they can't get out of their own head. He's one of them. Yeah. He's very open minded and likes to hear about it and learn about it. But it's just not in him to ever do it. I thought it was interesting, too, because when we were camping, your kid asked Carly what? Did he ask you what a swinger was? We were sitting at the table and I don't remember if he asked what a swinger was or I don't. But just how you described it was was it was very well put out there. You know, I'm just kind of a plain Jane about things like what's a swinger? Well, it's when you have consensual sex with other people besides your spouse. It's pretty simple explanation. Yeah. And he's what, 16? Yes. Mm hmm. Would you do the same thing with your what's your youngest, 13? Yeah, totally. I mean, we told all of our kids when the oldest at the time was probably around that 13 to 16 range, which as a father was a great conversation because my one and only daughter says she's asexual during that conversation. I was like, wait, I like it. She's not actually, but she's different. Yeah, it is. And then the one who went camping with us ended up coming out of the closet here a couple of years ago. He is gay and interested in men, which totally kudos to him. You know, totally supportive for sure. But yeah, they're interested in it. They they like coming to our house because they can get real life answers. You know, they don't get the church coded. Right. You should think answers. You know, they get the truth. I mean, and really the reason we told our kids that they were that we were swingers was because I was sexting with a guy sitting on the couch and wasn't really aware that my son was reading over my shoulder. Oh, and when I became aware of it, I was like, well, fuck, I'm going to have to explain this to him now because I can't have him thinking that I'm cheating on my husband. Right. And so I said, how much of that did you read? And he gave me that. Oh, I didn't read it. And I'm like, uh-huh. Sure, you didn't. And I said, listen, Bill and I are in the lifestyle. And he said, you're swingers. And I said, how the hell do you even know what that means? How did you connect those two? And he says, Mom, there's a whole porn channel for that. And I'm like, what? Send me that link. How do you know this? And I don't know the things. Then after the conversation, he's walking back to his bedroom and goes, my parents are swingers. It's better to be honest. I agree. And like with our kids, we're very open with them. Like, obviously, they don't know about the cock cage because they feel like that's not something they need to know about. Yeah, they know that we go to a lifestyle clothing optional campground. I don't know if I would classify us as swingers. I mean, half of us. I mean, you're a worse swinger than me. Yeah. True story. See now, in certain cases, we are certain cases. I totally understand why some people don't say anything like Natasha here. No runs a business. Right. And, you know, I mean, there's certain things you don't want other people to know or other people here that have careers that don't allow for that. It would be what we do for a living. And it's like, who cares if anybody knows? Right. Sure. Right. They want to fire me because I'm a swinger. And while I was looking for a job when I found that one. Yeah, I mean, I assume your son doesn't know either. Right. I mean, he's older. He's in his 20s, right? Yeah, he's 23. We suspect he probably is has put it together because he has said so to other friends that we've heard. So do your friends know? No, no, no. To other his friends. Oh, gotcha. So I think that they'll probably come the day that we will talk about that. But yeah, it's been our own kind of journey right now. Yeah. And I'm not ready to talk to him about it yet. Right. So but he knows we come to a holding optional campground. And sure, he knows for now for sure that we've been open with him about. Yeah. So that's an interesting topic, too, isn't it? Here we all sit at the clothing optional campground, by the way. And every single one of us has clothes on. Yeah. The temperature isn't really acceptable for nakedness, in my opinion. It's 66 degrees. But it's a big misconception among people who have never been here. Like, yeah, you think you're going to come to this place? Everyone's going to be naked. Everyone's going to have a perfect body. Everyone's going to have a giant dick and everyone's going to be in an orgy. And it's simply not true. Yeah, that's the assumption. It is everybody's shape and size that you can think of. And there's not clothes that are not very often orgies. Right. When I talk about this place, I you know, people ask me or whatever. And I have conversations. It's actually pretty rare that somebody is naked here. Topless all the time. Yeah. Topless. Oh, no, men wear a shirt and no pants. That seems to be the thing. Men, what's the deal with that? I don't understand it. I'm a man and I don't get that one. Yeah, I don't mean your nipples get cold, but your dick doesn't. I mean, what's going on? But maybe it's the same thing. Like, you know, I girls, me, I walk around with my boobs out all the time, but I almost always have my bottoms on. But we're in nature, people. I don't want bugs around my vagina. There is that. This is why I wear bottoms. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't. And so maybe the man aspect is it's a little too chilly to be naked. But I'm at naked camp and I can have my dick out. So I want it out. So therefore, I put a shirt on. I have actually asked that question to one or two. Some of them are just self-conscious about their stomach. For the record here, folks, Natasha just raised her hand. Something to say. You all missed out on that one. I just want to throw that in there. Good stuff. Good stuff. Just blurt it out, girl. Blurt it out. Which I think is interesting because, yeah, I know many of us women are running around like, yeah, myself included. Not not showing everything. Right. On my boobs. That's that's it out of the self-conscious aspect. If I can get over that, well, then would your vagina be better the longer you're here? What'd you say? Would your vagina be out if you got over that? Would you walk around completely naked? Yeah. But I don't know that day will ever come. Yeah. I mean, I did it when we were first here. And then the Nats, there was a real big Nat problem here that year. And they were just like swarming around all the private parts of all the people. And I was like, oh, yuck. Well, I know it's the whole time. Right. Right. I mean, I flashed our neighbors the other day, my vagina, but I don't my vagina is usually covered. You're at camp or at home? Just for the record. Well, she does it in Menards and Walmart. It's totally fine. Yeah, that's true. I don't show my vagina. I just pull my shorts up my ass because I don't wear underwear. So or I pull them down. Any of you Menards people that have that video are out there. I'd like a copy. OK, listen, it wasn't a video. It was just a picture of my boobs. Yeah, my fault. The eye in the sky is always rolling. Oh, sorry. I didn't think about that. Walmart has my boobs. Yeah, for sure. I've seen them lots of times. The vag, not so much. Can't be showing the ugly vagina to everyone. It's not a secret. It's not an ugly vagina. I've seen it. See, you're outnumbered. And clearly we're right and you're wrong, as usual. It's just the other day I was just the other day. We're almost out of battery. OK, already. Yeah, seems like we just started. Miss podcast owner. It's my fucking podcast. It is your fucking podcast. OK, so are you trying to tell me that we should wrap it up? We probably should before. There is no lines on the battery right now. So we're all done. Yeah, it's still rolling, though. Maybe we'll do this again next weekend when you come pick me up when we do the custody exchange, when I leave my brother husband. I think he should come to camp. Work it out. I feel like we'll have to talk to Superdud and see how that goes. Superdud. We have reason. I don't think you should talk to Superdud. I think you should say to Superdud, here's the deal. I think you should just drop your kid off there and say. Here's Kevin, your son, this weekend and the following weekend because the following weekend is Brian's birthday and we're going to camp. Whether you like it or not. Yeah, well, you're his father. You're going to show some fatherly responsibility. That's not out of the question necessarily. But what we want to do is establish the every other weekend thing. More structure for the kid. Right. You can always establish that in the winter time, one year. Yeah. Well, if we establish it now, we end up with a free M.E.A. weekend. And I want to do it. What we're looking at. We'll figure it out. We just like it when you're at camp, Brian. Yes, I like being at camp. We miss you. Let me tell you, it's to come up here on Friday. OK, and we were doing stuff and whatever. And yes, it was very frustrating, but I enjoyed my time on Friday. It's so quiet here. Yes. And it's just a whole different mindset. Yes. Completely. 100%. Oh, and then, by the way, I jump in my truck and drive back home and deal with all of that. So that's another completely different mindset. Right. And then drive all the way back up here. Yeah, it's real hard to try to get back into this mindset for an hour, for an hour or whatever it is. Right. It's it's a mental flash. Yeah. It's rough sometimes. Well, not OK. The struggle is not real. That one's good. First world problems, whatever. But it is it's it's a real, real flip flop. We we came back from camp one time to a volleyball tournament. Oh, no. We went from the dart tournament. Is that what I thought? Yeah, we went from here. Oh, maybe. Yeah. It's real hard to switch gears and be like a good parent. We both had sailor malls sit next to the other parents on the on the bleachers like fucking this fuck. As it should be. We're not a camp anymore. I don't know why everybody's so offended by the word fuck. I don't know. It's a good word. It is a good word. Very multiple persons. It works in every scenario. You can imagine. Yeah. Carlin was right. Mm hmm. OK, so on that note, we'll wrap it up. But I think we should do this again. Yeah, for sure. OK, let's do it. Yeah. And maybe Natasha will join us again. Yeah, that would be fun. Yeah. And her counterpart, even side note, did you fucking walk down here? You own a golf cart. Well, I left it for Chris when I get something. Oh, he's here. Nice. Are you? Yeah. I. Performance goodies, I take out that. It's a long weekend. OK. Everyone have a fantastic week. Be good human beings. Where does that come from? And we will chat next week. All the things, all the things, all the things. Peace out. We come in.