EP: 0418 - Female Led Relationships - Answering a Listener Question

We explore the dynamics of female-led relationships (FLRs) and address a listener question about maintaining a fulfilling FLR without incorporating elements like spanking and chastity.  We also discuss the flexibility and personalization of FLRs, proving that these relationships can be satisfying and successful without adhering to specific kinks. FLRs can extend beyond sexual control, so we touch on the importance of mutual preferences and desires in defining your unique dynamic.

We tackle the complexities of sustaining long-term FLR dynamics, concerns about prolonged submissiveness, fears of becoming less interesting or masculine, and the dominant partner potentially losing respect.

Questions this episode answers:
1. Can a female-led relationship be fulfilling without spanking or chastity?
2. How can long-term dynamics in a female-led relationship be maintained without losing respect or masculinity?
3. What are the myths about female-led relationships, and how can they be overcome?

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Transcript

00:00 - Krystine (Host)
And you're in control because Judy said so. Welcome back, hi Subby hey how's it going? And Judy and Steve are here. I'll be sad when I can't say that at the beginning of a podcast episode. 

00:13 - Judy (Guest)
It's going to be sad. You can say it and say, ah, just kidding I probably will too. 

00:18 - Krystine (Host)
The one episode. You guys will probably be home by the time that one drops. Judy and Steve are here we are. 

00:23 - Steven (Guest)
That's a lie. We were. 

00:27 - Krystine (Host)
So today we are going to answer a question that I got on my website some time ago. When did that one come in, does it say? 

00:35 - Subby (Co-host)
It came in April 20th. 

00:38 - Krystine (Host)
Oh, of this year. 

00:39 - Subby (Co-host)
I think so. 

00:39 - Krystine (Host)
Winning, I thought this would be a fantastic question to get Judy and Steve's input on, because they're very thought-provoking. Are you reading or do you want me to read? 

00:48 - Subby (Co-host)
I can read, as I'm usually the reader of the questions, are you? I just need to know am I reading the whole? 

00:54 - Steven (Guest)
thing, no, or maybe a little bit of background and then, the specific question, there's multiple questions. 

01:00 - Krystine (Host)
I can kind of skim over the background. 

01:02 - Subby (Co-host)
The background is you do the background. 

01:04 - Krystine (Host)
He has met the love of his life. They've been together about a year and a half. 55 and 53, I believe, is what the ages were. I'm pretty impressed with my memory. Right now I am too, thanks. And they're exploring a female-led relationship and he has some questions about the dynamics of that and if you can have one of those successful relationships without certain elements, and also questions about how she may view him down the road, right? That pretty much summarizes. But they're new in their relationship and she is the love of his life, right? Okay, Number one, don't I sound like the? 

01:41 - Subby (Co-host)
initials. Yes, you do, are you? Am I reading more than one or is it just no, just do okay. 

01:46 - Krystine (Host)
So the first question is by the first little dash gash yep read the first gash honey. 

01:52 - Subby (Co-host)
He says I don't like spanking and chastity. For me, the latter really seems unnecessary, as I never liked sex without a woman anyway, as I would never jump on a woman who does not feel like it. She controls this field anyway. So can you still have a fulfilling flr without spanking and chastity? And we should mention the fella is from germany, right, so the english isn't quite there, but it's really. 

02:18 - Krystine (Host)
It's actually really it was very easy to read. Yeah, much easier than some of the ones that and I'm not complaining no, I love to hear from everybody. 

02:25 - Subby (Co-host)
Just a little context, yeah. 

02:26 - Krystine (Host)
So it might be a little. It sounds a little different than and maybe I'm misinterpreting some of the things he's saying a little bit too. I don't think so. Okay, I think you're spot on. Okay, so the first question is Absolutely yes. 

02:38 - Steven (Guest)
You can have an FLR without speaking or chastity. 

02:43 - Krystine (Host)
Yes. 

02:44 - Subby (Co-host)
Absolutely. 

02:45 - Krystine (Host)
I would agree with that. I would also like to add a side note as I move around in the squeaky chair and put my phone up real quick. He mentioned something in there about chastity being something to do with. He doesn't have the desire to be with another woman, or wouldn't, and she's in control of the sex. 

03:02 - Subby (Co-host)
Right. 

03:02 - Krystine (Host)
I am also in control of our sex, yep, and you wear chastity, yep, so chastity has nothing to do with you masturbating. I mean it can. 

03:12 - Subby (Co-host)
It's like what he pointed out is like one small point, one small part of what that could be Right, that's what I'm trying to get out of it. 

03:20 - Krystine (Host)
Yes, so you can have a female-led relationship without chastity. But I don't feel like chastity is tied to who's in control of sex or not being able to control. Well, and I can't say that because it sure could be tied to not being able to control yourself, so I guess I could see where it comes full circle. I will say I like being in control of the sex and your dick being locked up. 

03:43 - Subby (Co-host)
Yeah, because for each couple it could mean something different, right? It could have different reasons for being involved in chess Say it. 

03:52 - Steven (Guest)
Steve, I think I've read from ML King other places where, yeah, there's a whole line of matriarchy and avalanche. I mean, you might have looked at some relationships and I know I teach Judy. I said, well, we know who wears the pants in that family. And even when Judy and I were in more of a vanilla relationship, which was for a long time, I still did a lot for her, did a lot of service-oriented stuff. We just didn't, you know, she wasn't cognizant of it, I probably wasn't cognizant of it either. We were not at that particular point. Practicing chastity I will say that practicing chastity adds a certain. It's like it's the special sauce to the mix. I would agree it does. You've made the point a number of times where the key and the chastity device are like wedding bands. So, yeah, yeah, you have to find something to do with your significant other. You have to arrange a way of really having a relationship with your significant other. That relationship changes over time. Nothing ever stays the same. Can you start an FLR without having chastity? Absolutely without spanking? 

05:04 - Judy (Guest)
spanking. Absolutely so what he was saying, and I don't know if this is the part that you read. But your FLR doesn't even have to be first and foremost sexual-based. So if he doesn't want to or they don't want to go down that now or forever, that's fine. If you and the love of your life really need to decide what you want this to look like, so and well, so no, does it mean that she makes all the calls in bed? 

05:35 - Steven (Guest)
I mean, you do this now, we do this later. You know that's not happening tonight. This is happening tonight. Is that what he is? Being Her knight in shiny armor, I mean in a lot of respects, you know, if it's not chastity, it's not spanking, well then you're her knight, you're her duke, whatever, whatever you want to do. 

05:54 - Krystine (Host)
And on that same note, you can certainly have a female-led relationship that is only in the bedroom. It can be absolutely reversed. You could just want your partner to be in charge in the bedroom and take control in the bedroom, and then outside of the bedroom things resume as normal, or whatever that looks like for you, right, and maybe that's how that works for that couple Yep. 

06:16 - Steven (Guest)
But what works now in a year and a half is going to be very different in four or five or six or seven years. Sure, go slow, don't rush the FLR. If these are things that you're interested in or you think you might be interested in sometime in the future, let them come up naturally over some time. 

06:35 - Subby (Co-host)
Number two. Also I find it thrilling to receive some kind of punishment, but again, that's kind of contradictory to the first question. 

06:42 - Judy (Guest)
Right and he addresses that he doesn't want the painful punishment. 

06:46 - Subby (Co-host)
Yeah, but again, there should not be pain involved. My partner could never be violent or inflict pain on someone. There are, of course, other methods, but even though she likes the thought of being dominant and in control, she has a hard time thinking of disciplining an adult. Do you think there is a way to do it lovingly and still be strict somehow? 

07:08 - Krystine (Host)
The first thing that comes to my mind is I would change what she's doing and stop calling it discipline. I mean it could be discipline, but I think that name specifically you think of a child and I think that's why it's a turnoff for a lot of people, Because this isn't a game, this is life you mean as far as what she refers to it as right is what they're looking at it as like. 

07:27
Look at it from a different perspective. This isn't discipline. This is something that you both enjoy. Now, I don't know who doesn't like the pain. Is it him that doesn't like the pain? Or she doesn't want to inflict the pain? It seems like it it's both yes Right. So I mean, I know when Judy and I first started talking, we were looking for different types of punishments that were not enjoyable for you. 

07:49 - Steven (Guest)
We had these conversations different things that we could do for you. There were too many punishments that were enjoyable. 

07:56 - Krystine (Host)
Well, you're too smart for your own damn good. Also, different punishments that don't involve physical actions like the standing against the wall with the penny or the quarter. You know there's different things that you could do. Now those also kind of come back to like that's something that you would hear of in the old days, like when you were in school you had to go stand in the corner. 

08:16 - Steven (Guest)
Yeah, Well, how many different ways are there for a person to show disapproval in one's behavior without calling it some sort of behavior modification? 

08:27 - Judy (Guest)
A lot of it I would think would jump to mind is your tone of voice, your attitude. You can always withhold something, and it doesn't have to be sex. It can be something. Absolutely. You like to go out with the boys on sunday and I hate to be stereotypical, but I don't know. My husband doesn't do that. But if it was something that you like to do, well, you're not going this week because, yeah, I'm not happy about x, y or z yeah, absolutely, and I was just going to bring that up. 

08:51 - Subby (Co-host)
Maybe it's a show that they like watching, or whatever. It might be some something to consume that they're not allowed to consume, right? 

08:57 - Judy (Guest)
whatever that, whatever that might be it could be, beer it could be. I mean who? 

09:00 - Subby (Co-host)
knows yeah. 

09:00 - Judy (Guest)
Whatever you like, anything your desserts. 

09:02 - Krystine (Host)
your who knows, I like to strut around the house in minimal clothing and tell my husband he can't touch me. There you go. I mean, obviously I can't do that now on a camper Right. 

09:12 - Subby (Co-host)
Do they? 

09:12 - Judy (Guest)
Yes. 

09:14 - Krystine (Host)
Real bad. 

09:16 - Subby (Co-host)
Yes, okay, but on that you enjoy being touched right. 

09:21 - Judy (Guest)
Well, yeah, but I mean, who's losing? 

09:23 - Subby (Co-host)
What is? 

09:23 - Krystine (Host)
the Well I can make you touch me when I want you to, but it's more of a punishment to you. It doesn't last long. 

09:30 - Subby (Co-host)
Yeah, I mean, I think there's always going to be a flip side to all of that. 

09:33 - Steven (Guest)
There's something to that, though, there's definitely something, because touch for us is an important thing In order to require punishment, don't you have to be made aware of the behavior or the act that encountered? I mean, that's half the battle is just having your whatever. 

09:49
Whatever requires the punishment, whether talking back or arguing or not being sincere On time or not being on time, whatever is bothering you, whatever it is, yeah, you gotta, I mean. Well, I was strapped over that spanking bench. I thought it was very important for Judy to tell me what was I being spanked for. So that's 50% of the issue. And I've read online. You could write lines I will never talk back to my instructor. 

10:20 - Subby (Co-host)
I will never talk back to my teacher, I will never walk. 

10:23 - Steven (Guest)
I mean, those are there. There's no pain involved, it's just tedious. And I'm sure when you walk away from writing 50 or 75 or 150 lines, you will not do school again, right right, right. 

10:36 - Subby (Co-host)
It sounds like they don't want to even call it punishment or discipline right? 

10:39 - Krystine (Host)
No, it doesn't. 

10:40 - Subby (Co-host)
So you can even have it like we have fun time, or whatever label you want to call it, you know yeah redirecting or learning or anything. 

10:50 - Steven (Guest)
Get the computer look up synonyms for punishment. There you go. Corrective behavior modification. You could call it the meeting. 

10:59 - Subby (Co-host)
Let's have a meeting. 

11:01 - Krystine (Host)
Isn't there an Anderson, buford, wakeman and Howe song called that the Meeting? Look at you. Am I right? Is it the Meeting? I think so. Anyway, you gonna sing it, no. 

11:09 - Steven (Guest)
You know who she's talking about? I do not. It's not a band I'm following. 

11:15 - Subby (Co-host)
I could be knowing shit. Members of a few 70s bands came together. It was a super group, yeah. 

11:19 - Krystine (Host)
Yeah, I think it's called the Meeting of Our Love or the Meeting, or Something like that. You said that and I can just hear the music in my head. 

11:27 - Subby (Co-host)
Yes, and Styx, and oh yeah, I've got you Some of them, Okay. 

11:31 - Steven (Guest)
I've got you. 

11:31 - Judy (Guest)
I'll have to look that up later. 

11:33 - Subby (Co-host)
Oh, that sounds good, it's a good. I don't know that they have a lot. Christine's Classic Rock Podcast. 

11:40 - Krystine (Host)
That's it. That's all I know. 

11:44 - Subby (Co-host)
Other than a little Pink Floyd and oh. So which listener is making a list of all these, by the way? 

11:48 - Judy (Guest)
What Of? 

11:49 - Subby (Co-host)
all the different podcasts. Somebody's writing this down somewhere. You think so? 

11:54 - Krystine (Host)
It could be a drinking game actually I like it. 

11:56 - Subby (Co-host)
We like to evolve the podcast a little bit. Keep it fresh. I have them all. 

12:00 - Krystine (Host)
I have them all. I like that my name is in front of all of them. Yes, anywho. Yes, back at the ranch yeah if it's more of a play situation, like even a scene. 

12:11 - Judy (Guest)
Right, right right. 

12:11 - Krystine (Host)
I mean, maybe you look at it that way, but to me, when I think of that, I always think of I don't know, whipping your ass, you ass. You know what I mean. So you have to change your perspective on on what is enjoyable for a play session for you or what works for you, and sometimes I I do wish that uh judy would just take a more sterner tone and just smack me down a little bit you're too nice I've heard that a time or two about myself. 

12:39 - Steven (Guest)
I mean, I understand, believe me, I understand why and I would probably be the same way. But if you want to affect change, you've got to actually take something. 

12:48 - Judy (Guest)
But you don't have to be Like, there's different ways to do that and you know, I hear you and I will keep thinking about it, but your way and my way have not found total common ground yet. 

13:02 - Steven (Guest)
In your face. 

13:04 - Subby (Co-host)
Let's play around the curves and see Maybe the punishment is the non-punishment. See how she twisted up a little. 

13:15 - Krystine (Host)
I think it's all about your perspective and how you look at it. I think you just have to be creative to find ways it can be done. 

13:24 - Steven (Guest)
Yeah, and you can write them down or you can let them go freeform. 

13:26 - Judy (Guest)
This kind of leads into the number three. 

13:29 - Krystine (Host)
Oh yeah. 

13:30 - Subby (Co-host)
Number three. Good gosh, there was a number three. 

13:33 - Krystine (Host)
Yes, this is the most difficult question, I believe. 

13:37 - Judy (Guest)
What I like about this question is it's not the difficult one Okay. 

13:41 - Subby (Co-host)
And now the most difficult question right yes, read that okay, what do you think slash know about long term effects? 

13:50 - Krystine (Host)
of yes, then it goes into, and then he talks about what he's referring to what he's afraid of. 

13:58 - Subby (Co-host)
I guess we all know the long-term benefits, but what about the downsides? My biggest fear is to become uninteresting, unattractive for her, when I always do what she tells me to. Will my only being the willing executor of her wishes and commands, in fact being hungry for them, not make her lose her respect for me, even if she doesn't want this to happen? 

14:27 - Krystine (Host)
So from what I take away from that question is he's concerned. If he's being submissive to her, she's going to lose interest, because most of society says that to be a real man you need to be masculine and be in charge and be in control Right Over a long period of time. 

14:41 - Steven (Guest)
To be a real man, you need to be masculine and be in charge and be in control Right Mm-hmm, over a long period of time. I don't think he's talking about the question. I said he's worried. You know he's in a new relationship. Yeah, he's worried about being submissive for too long. Seven years from now, is she going to think less of me? Not, I don't think, not necessarily. 

14:57 - Judy (Guest)
And does he, because I'm hearing that he might also feel less masculine. He doesn't want her to feel because we don't know what their relationship, how they got to know each other, but it sounds like that that's a piece of their relationship and if that's going to change, there's a fear going along with that, and he mentioned that they have no interest currently in cuckolding. 

15:19 - Krystine (Host)
In there In there somewhere, yep, in there somewhere when I pre-read, and it was as of now, so I think that takes it just the cuckolding part really quick. I think that is very specific to certain. You have to have a certain I don't like to say cake, but you have to have a certain fascination for that or a certain desire to see your partner with someone else, and I don't know that that's not for everyone everybody feels that way, like I mean everybody that we have in our ladies group and men's group. 

15:49
Everybody is monogamous, except for us. We basically are. 

15:53 - Judy (Guest)
So yeah, for now it sounds like, at least for now, these, this couple is also, yes, where they are and where they think they are pulling the big step, but that is, you know that would be. 

16:03 - Krystine (Host)
It does not sound like he would have that desire in the first place if he's already feeling less masculine watching his partner have sex with somebody who's more dominant or manly in his eyes, is not going to solve the problem. Cuckolding aside, or do you have more well? 

16:19 - Subby (Co-host)
just just quickly on that. Maybe cuckolding is the answer to like going back to the punishment thing or going back to, you know, making that might be crossing a line, but maybe not right. 

16:30 - Krystine (Host)
So yeah, it'd be a little early. 

16:32 - Judy (Guest)
You'd have to grow into that. 

16:33 - Subby (Co-host)
Yeah, you'd have to grow into it but maybe that's the step that like oh shit, I didn't even realize this, and you know we've been in this for long, how long. And I didn't realize things until months, years or whatever. 

16:46 - Krystine (Host)
And I think, even when the things happened, there were emotions that you weren't expecting. 

16:52 - Steven (Guest)
Goes without saying. 

16:53 - Krystine (Host)
Um, yeah, not that you weren't prepared, just that you weren't expecting to feel that way. Now, in that specific instance, the most recent, there was a lot of other. Okay, so we're talking about that yeah, Okay yeah because the early on ones. 

17:07 - Subby (Co-host)
No, not nothing at all. Yeah, yep, Because there wasn't a personal contact. 

17:12 - Krystine (Host)
I think it was a random drive-by banging Well, kind of. 

17:16 - Subby (Co-host)
There was a personal contact, but there wasn't like a friendship or previous relationship. That was corrected, right, right, yeah, I'm with you, I'm following, we're right in step, oh Lord, and you know my feeling about that is that the act itself. I didn't have any problem with Right. Okay, it's the aftermath of all the things. 

17:36 - Krystine (Host)
Yes, there was a lack of communication Moving on. 

17:39 - Subby (Co-host)
Right, right. So the cuckolding I had no problem with. Yes, right. I just want to be clear. I didn't have any problem with that, correct, but there's other aspects. 

17:47 - Krystine (Host)
Yes, and once you do this, you cannot go backwards, you can't take it back. That was the biggest thing. Yeah, that's my biggest takeaway Once you do this, go back, but even still, I don't have a problem with that. No, I'm not saying you yeah. Just as a whole. 

18:02 - Steven (Guest)
In general. Yeah, yes, for anybody who's. 

18:04 - Krystine (Host)
Yes, if you're thinking about, if you're anticipating doing cuckolding for the first time, it's an unknown territory until you've done it, and once you do it you can't go back. I mean, you can never do it again and that's fine, but you have to ride all of those emotions that come with that. You have to have a very solid connection and you have to be very able to communicate. 

18:26 - Subby (Co-host)
Yeah, this is not going to fix a marriage, by the way. 

18:28 - Krystine (Host)
No, I would not. 

18:29 - Subby (Co-host)
This would not be the go-to for fixing. 

18:32 - Krystine (Host)
No, and we say that often you have to have a solid foundation, a very solid foundation, before you go into that. 

18:38 - Steven (Guest)
Getting back to the question, so we've taken away the cuckolding, I would say that I have been in a 20 year. I started when I was 40. I'm 60 now. How much longer do you want to talk about 28 years? 28 years is a long time. No, 20 is a long time. 

18:54 - Krystine (Host)
Yeah, 20 is a long time. 

18:57 - Steven (Guest)
So and I, I got stronger as I got older. I knew who I was, and when I knew who I was, then I really wasn't worried about what society you know. There was never any loss of respect. I mean because it's a lot of work to be in a chassis device. If you're fulfilling your side of that relationship in a chassis device, you're putting in the hours man, you're doing the heavy lifting, as I like to say yeah yeah, and anybody who is not going to respect that kind of commitment? 

19:30
everybody always says, oh, I respect commitment, okay, you want to respect commitment, there's a commitment and even he was saying he was not interested in the chastity piece. 

19:40 - Judy (Guest)
oh, that's true. 

19:41 - Krystine (Host)
so even taking the chastity out, though I mean that you just Even taking the chastity out, though I mean you just put that on and I know that there's a lot of emotion and there's a lot of physical that goes with the chastity. But even taking that out of the equation, there's a lot that goes into being submissive and choosing to be that and playing that role or being that person. 

20:00 - Steven (Guest)
Being the understudy. It's not always easy to be the understudy, no on top of working. 

20:04 - Krystine (Host)
a full-time job and life Like that is a. 

20:07 - Steven (Guest)
it is a commitment to say so you shouldn't look at yourself as if you are less than the other person you are. I like to use it you're in the knight in shining armor, you are the duke to the queen, you are the foot soldier to the colonel I mean. Think about it that way the colonel doesn't exist. Unless there's a soldier right, can't be a colonel of none right woman doesn't want a knight in shining armor. 

20:34 - Krystine (Host)
There you go. You have a man that wants to take care of you and do anything you want. How does that not? Yeah, how do you? 

20:41 - Judy (Guest)
look at societal yeah, how does yeah, how do you not? 

20:44 - Krystine (Host)
and? 

20:45 - Subby (Co-host)
right and to your point about oh, you're doing this on top of this, on top of this, like your husband you're, you're an employee or business or whatever, and and those things are interesting enough to the woman you're with, right, this is now an level, I would argue, more than many other men, right, this is a. This is a different level of being self-aware, not just with yourself, but with, with what is your marriage Right? Meaning? You're focusing more on on your marriage, on your relationship Right, more than, again, many other people, couples and guys, whatever. So the fear of of her losing interest? I don't know that. 

21:26 - Judy (Guest)
I would I would leave it at that, because if she really is leading, her interests are To lead, but her interests are at the forefront of everything. 

21:35 - Krystine (Host)
Yeah, so why would she lose interest? So why would she lose interest, right? 

21:37 - Subby (Co-host)
This would make you even maybe more interesting to her. 

21:40 - Krystine (Host)
And in addition to that, let me think of where I was going with this. Oh sorry, I would. 

21:45 - Steven (Guest)
Right, were you thinking? Yes, okay, you know, if you're reading blogs and some of the crap that come up on your computer, you'll see that there are memes and all that other stuff where men are worms, men are less than human, and there is one or two blogs I've read where she's pretty stern. You know and mean. 

22:07 - Judy (Guest)
Isn't that part of the dynamic that can be part of the? 

22:09 - Krystine (Host)
dynamic. That's part of the dynamic Humiliation. 

22:11 - Judy (Guest)
Humiliation. So you don't want that as part of your dynamic and that's not going to interest either of you. 

22:17 - Steven (Guest)
That's like there's a broad range, if you're reading that stuff and thinking, well, no, that's way out in right field, right. 

22:28 - Judy (Guest)
So you have to discount that. To begin with he said she doesn't want, or how do you do it without the pain and discipline? Well, that's the verbal disciplining and humiliation. So you don't have that as part of your relationship. So, that's not something that you are interested in. And, christine, you remembered what you wanted to say. 

22:43 - Krystine (Host)
Yes, what I was going to say is if you're concerned about her viewing you as less masculine, is that really a concern or is that your insecurities projecting on her? Like if there's something that you're feeling, like you're feeling less masculine because you're submitting to her, then maybe there's areas in the relationship that you can take control of. To give you that little bit of masculinity that you feel you need. 

23:06
I don't think that every man feels like they need to be in control, to be masculine, because I have never viewed you either of you as weak. I have always thought of submissive men being like the strongest people or the strongest men I've met, because, I will tell you, my ex is a spineless prick. That has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. However, you are a much better husband, you are a much better human and I have never viewed you as anything less than strong and masculine. 

23:33 - Subby (Co-host)
Right, because in our relationship we've communicated that in certain situations I'm supposed to take the lead. 

23:39 - Krystine (Host)
When she goes way south. 

23:41 - Subby (Co-host)
Right. So, author of the question, she in your conversations, she may lean on you to still be the leader of some things. Right? So just because you're the submissive in the relationship doesn't mean you you are always, you know, just a foot soldier. Sometimes you can delegate that. You need to switch that means depending on the situation. 

24:04 - Steven (Guest)
That means I'm not submissive. I'm the leader of the kitchen. You? 

24:07 - Krystine (Host)
are yes, you are in control of the kitchen and you're in control because Judy sent something Because it's undesignated. 

24:18 - Steven (Guest)
But I'm the number one guy when I stand over there, right, right. 

24:22 - Krystine (Host)
Yes, you just have to find the areas that give you, if it's a confidence thing or if you're feeling less than yeah, I mean, have you ever felt less than being a submissive, which you like? The humiliation too. So you like what I tell you. 

24:34 - Steven (Guest)
Yeah, obviously not, don't we all like the spas? 

24:37 - Krystine (Host)
yeah, um, I do, I do so much yeah, I don't. 

24:41 - Subby (Co-host)
I don't feel less than because I know we have a balance and we've, you know, written up what, metaphorically written up what that balance is. But I know we just I know my place in in the situation. 

24:52 - Judy (Guest)
So, as with the question, you will know your place after lots of communication know your role right but you also, I was thinking you'll develop your roles you said it's only it's been a year and a half. Well, Stevenson, seven years later, your roles are not going to be the same. Is that just how life? 

25:10 - Krystine (Host)
happens? Yeah, yep, things change. Things evolve, ebbing and flowing. Yep, good question. This is true, that was a good question. I hope this answers your question. Questions Questions. I hope that, yes, well, listen, it's only June, yeah. 

25:28 - Subby (Co-host)
At the time of recording. That's true. That's true. 

25:30 - Krystine (Host)
I'm doing better than the ones that were from 2023. 

25:33 - Subby (Co-host)
I feel that these questions are evergreen. Actually, yeah, because just because they were asked by one person, there's probably other listeners that, oh, I wanted that question too, right? So? 

25:43 - Krystine (Host)
And to the nice person that emailed this. I am going to respond to your email from April and let you know when this will drop, which probably will not drop until July, because I have all the Steve and Judy content before I need to drop All the opinions and all the things I have as soon as the Steve and Judy. 

26:05 - Steven (Guest)
We will listen to the Steve and Judy as if we had never heard it before. 

26:10 - Krystine (Host)
It'll be the first time Fresh ears but I hope this answers your question. I will email you and let you know when this is going to air, and I would love an update on how things are going. 

26:20 - Subby (Co-host)
That's crucial, interesting to me anyways. 

26:23 - Krystine (Host)
We can do a follow-up episode with Stephen Judy. I like it. Could you let us know by October? 

26:28 - Subby (Co-host)
Yes, I mean we have streamed, we have. 

26:31 - Steven (Guest)
Zoom and StreamYard. We've done all the things we can do. A Teams meeting yes. 

26:36 - Krystine (Host)
Anything else that you want to add to anything other than just the standard communication is key. Make it your own. Whatever works for you is what's best. 

26:44 - Steven (Guest)
Yep, I'm getting ready. Okay, is what's best? Yep, I'm getting ready? 

26:46 - Krystine (Host)
Okay, have a fantastic week. Be good humans, stay safe, be kind. Love you all, mwah.